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Originally posted by mcrowder
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Originally posted by Carl Childress
MLBUM considers a runner in the dugout to be out.
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Really? Where do you find that?
Also: this is not a runner, but the batter-runner - a significant difference in many rules.
David - if you accept that BR is out because he entered the dugout, then YOU MUST allow the runners to return to their original bases (ie drop the forceouts), since there is no one FORCING them to advance anymore.
Not allowing BR to exit the dugout and go to first, but keeping the forces in place would be (as I was accused of earlier) having your cake and eating it too.
[Edited by mcrowder on Nov 10th, 2005 at 10:18 AM]
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A runner who has scored but missed the plate may not return to touch it. A BATTER-RUNNER whose third strike is not caught in flight is out when he reaches the dugout or steps of his bench. You can find the first in the MLBUM (look for it, it will do you good) and the second in the OBR (ditto my above remark).
I'm interested in only one issue: When is a batter out when he deserts first?
But, if he's out when he enters the dugout, which is the
only sensible call, consecutive runners may do whatever turns them on. And they will be out only on a tag while off a base. Any base.
Frankly, I can't believe this is still being discussed by people who are supposed to know something about baseball. Consequently, I'll bow out now and leave the inmates in charge. (grin)