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Originally posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
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Several of you are so hung up on what the player says rather than what happens. Carl, BigUmp, Davein SoCal and others play attention:
I'll address this remark for both of my friends Dave and Steve. Windy, there is no post in this thread that's been made by my friend from SanDiego Dave Allison. He's the one who uses the alias DaveinSoCal.
The man who uses the alias SanDiego Steve is a different person entirely. From my recollection, he has never made a post on the McGriffs $h1thou$e board. I'll let Steve try to enlighten you further on your assumption that they are one person.
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1) If F5 says "Back" or even "Get Back" to a runner it is not obstruction unless the play is altered in some way. Why is that a puzzle to you? If the runner doesn't bite, we have nothing! Please take a Xanax and read the book and ....
No one has said that verbal obstruction should be called if the play is not altered. Are you now saying that if the play is altered by a fielder yelling "back" that the call should be made? Earlier, you said that that call was wrong no matter what the outcome of the play might be. You refered to this as smart coaching when a coach yells this. Your statement here saying that if the play is not altered, we would have nothing, implys that if the play is altered we would have justification for making the call.
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3) You still can't justify enforcing the penalty on something you can't possibly see. Carl, when someone curses directly at you from the dugout what do you do? What happens if your back is turned and you can't tell who said it?
This statement is also a ruse to support your position. Since none of can "see" verbal comments, what's your point?
If you need to be looking straight at a defensive player to be able to tell if he was the one who yelled, your judgement is seriously lacking.
I cant speak for Carl , but I will tell you how I handle a player or coach cursing at me with my back turned to the dugout. I call time and call out the manager from the dugout or the coaches box to have a little chat. During our little huddle, I tell him he needs to put a stop to it! I'll tell him,
"Skip, the next time I hear it, I'm turning to the dugout and dumping the first player I see. You can bet good money on it that the first player I find will be either your starting pitcher, or your catcher." This has always worked for me and the managers will shut it down.
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I would love to see them pull out the Newsletter to validate their point. "Uh, coach this is from 1988, but it says quite clearly..." The casebook changes every year, so does the rule book. Grab the 1988 one (since you seem to have that Newsletter handy), how many pages are in it? Uh, oh...
Again Windy, what's your point? Are you saying you need to pull a rule book or a case book out every time a manager disputes a ruling? If a manager disputes a ruling that I'm confident in, I tell him I've made the call and if he doesn't like my answer, he can lodge a protest. End of story. I'm not going to hold a rules clinic with a manager during the course of a game. I'll let him file the protest and forward along the ruling interpretation to the protest committee.
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[Edited by BigUmp56 on Oct 30th, 2005 at 12:27 AM]