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Originally posted by Kaliix
I personally don't care one way or the other whether help should have been asked for.
But to say that the umpire at first wouldn't be watching the play develop seems a little ridiculous. When the ball is hit to and a double play is likely, there is going to be nothing to watch at first base until the runner gets near the bag.
Maybe I am unaware of the proper mechanic, but with no one on, I learned to watch the ball, watch the fielder field it and then watch the release to see if the throw is true, lest I might have to adjust my angle on a poor throw.
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It is not ridiculous at all to suggest that umpires at this level are following the proper procedures. Assuming they are following the proper mechanics there is not another umpire that would have had a good look at this play. If they did, why are they not helping? I thought he asked for help and the umpire's call did not change.
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Originally posted by Kaliix
I can't see why it would be any different on a double play. Get in position and follow the ball. You watch until the throw is released from second base to make sure that throw is true, again in case you have to adjust position for a poor throw.
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Who is supposed to help on a double play in 6 man mechanics? I know it is different from 2 Man as compared to 3 Man. So if you are going to interject and example that might not even apply, can you tell us who is supposed to help on a double play situation? Are we talking about a force play or a tag up situation? I am not trying to be sarcastic, but I think you do not understand that there is a completely different procedure as you add umpires to the field. Six Man hardly has any rotations. The umpires are basically standing at their base except for one situation I can think of from the 2nd base umpire.
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Originally posted by Kaliix
In this case, I would think that the first base umpire would be looking right at the play, from a pretty good angle and could see three inches of daylight between the tag from 90 feet.
Again, I don't about asking for help or not, but the first base umpire most likely saw the play.
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Once again, if the first base umpire is doing his job, he is getting ready to get in position to watch first base. He probably is out of position to know if there was a tag. I saw a couple of angles and I had to see it a couple of times to be sure there was no tag. Now you are suggesting at full speed an umpire that is not in position to make that call, saw the whole thing. I think the umpire asked for help and the call stood. So it sounds pretty clear to me that the umpire did not see anything to change the call. Oh well, what do I know.
Peace