I personally don't care one way or the other whether help should have been asked for.
But to say that the umpire at first wouldn't be watching the play develop seems a little ridiculous. When the ball is hit to and a double play is likely, there is going to be nothing to watch at first base until the runner gets near the bag.
Maybe I am unaware of the proper mechanic, but with no one on, I learned to watch the ball, watch the fielder field it and then watch the release to see if the throw is true, lest I might have to adjust my angle on a poor throw.
I can't see why it would be any different on a double play. Get in position and follow the ball. You watch until the throw is released from second base to make sure that throw is true, again in case you have to adjust position for a poor throw.
In this case, I would think that the first base umpire would be looking right at the play, from a pretty good angle and could see three inches of daylight between the tag from 90 feet.
Again, I don't about asking for help or not, but the first base umpire most likely saw the play.
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Originally posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
Jeff, again you are assuming that these guys umpire like you.
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I think the only person making assumptions is you. I am giving you what the mechanics are.
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Review the experience on that field, how many crew chiefs, former crew chiefs and experienced playoff umpires were on the field? They are not taught to wear blinders. With a six man system, the right field umpire would be looking right at it.
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I honestly do not know what you are talking about. If these umpires have been versed in 6 Man mechanics, then I am sure they are not trying to watch all over the field. Now you suggest the RF Umpire can see this play? The RF Umpire is probably 150 feet away from the play. He also is not in a very good angle either. You want an umpire over 100 feet away from a play making a call? You have got to be kidding me.
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The play at first was inconsequential and we learn as rookies to let the ball lead you to the action. Besides, the replay clearly showed that the umpire at first had a look at it. Please stop telling us how it was supposed to have happened. It happened differently and MLB umpires are trained to follow the ball. This is not even a matter of A2D, it didn't happen your way.
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You do sound like a rookie, because you do not follow the ball most of the time. You actually watch "off ball" most of the time or watch the players to determine. If you always watch the ball you are going to miss many plays like obstruction and interference calls. You might even miss whether a runner is going to advance bases, which will help in anticipating a play at a certain base. Lastly, I am not telling you what to do. Do what you want to on that field. I can just suggest that you might get in a lot of trouble if you ever work 6 man, 4 man or 3 man and you are having umpires all over the field watching plays that are clearly out of their area or they are in a bad angle to help on. I worked more 3 man this year than I ever did in one season and I even worked 4 man. I can tell you I could not help on many plays from my position. This is not about me. This is about what the mechanics are and what is taught. Do you have any evidence that a RF or LF umpire can give help? There has to be some reference somewhere right? I have never heard a RF or LF umpire making a call or helping a base umpire.
Peace
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