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Originally posted by mcrowder
Explain please.
(Why after the SNAP as opposed to after the KICK, and why does his position on the field when entering matter?
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Under Fed rules, PSK requires that a foul by R be committed before the kick ends. So the time period that a PSK foul can occur starts with the snap and ends when the kick ends. The kick has nothing to do with except fulfill one of ther equirements for PSK enforcement.
2-16-2g:Post Scrimate Kick - a foul by R when the foul occurs:
- 1)During scrimmage kick plays, other than a try or successful field goal.
- 2)During a scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the expanded neutral zone
- 3)Beyond the expanded neutral zone
- 4)Before the kick ends
- 5)And K does not have possession of the ball when the down ends and will not be next to put the ball in play.
If the 12th player is on the field at the snap, per 9-4-2 The basic spot is the previous spot: (a) For a foul which occurs simultaneously with the snap or free kick. So if the 12th player is on the field at the snap, it is a foul simultaneous with the snap, previous spot enforcement and that is not beyond the neutral zone so #3 above is not satisified. However, Illegal Participation for player, substitute or replaced player that enters during the down 9-6-4a, is a spot foul where the player enters. If this spot is beyond the expanded neutral zone, it qualifies under #3 for PSK enforcement as long as the other 4 elements are also satisifed.
[Edit: Situation: K's ball 4th and 4 from their own 35 yard line. R34, believing he is the 11th man when in reality there are already 11 R players on the field enters (a) before the snap, (b) after the snap and enters the field at K's 33 yard line or (c) after the snap and enters the field at K's 44 yard line. In all three cases K7 legally punts the ball which is caught in flight by R37 at R's 35 yard line and returned to K's 10 yard line where he is tackled in bounds. Illegal participation in A, B and C. In A, the foul is simultaneous with the snap, so we use the previous spot. K may accept the penalty and keep the ball, 1st and 10 for K at the 50 yard line. In B, the foul is not beyond the expanded neutral zone, since this is a spot foul at the 33, it is therefor not a PSK foul. We have a foul by R during a loose ball play, we will use previous spot enforcement, K may again keep the ball, 1st and ten for K at the 50. In C, the spot of the foul is the 44 yard line, which is beyond the expanded neutral zone. In C all five elements of a PSK foul are present and this foul if accepted has only the PSK enforcement option. The kick ended when R37 caught the ball at R's 35, so when K accepts the penalty, R will be awarded 1st and 10 at their own 20 yard line. Bonus points for me, the clock will start on the snap in (a), (b) and (c).]
[Edited by BulldogMcC on Oct 21st, 2005 at 02:39 PM]