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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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BTW, I'm still going with held ball.
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And the rationale could be that since A1 could not rip the ball away without traveling, then it must have been [ex post facto] a held ball?
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Not really, Mick. As I said originally, without seeing the actual play, it sounds to me that if the ball didn't come free by "wrenching" it, then the two players had the ball so tightly that sole possession couldn't be gained without undue force. That's pretty much the definition of a held ball.
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The feet moved at the wrenching. Thus the *held ball* determination is made after the fact that one of the players had the moving feet.
[Note: I saw this play called as a *travel* in a JV game last night, and I thought it was an interesting case. Like I said, the easy call is *Jump* The harder call is the player (jointly] controlling the ball and violating the *limits on foot movements*.]
mick
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I don't really think that the held ball call is the easy call at all, just the correct one.
As has been said, if player A needed to travel to get sole possession, that required undue force, thus a held ball by definition.