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Originally posted by JohnBark
well, i guess a team warning would be ok. but, what happens if it happened again later in the game. and once again, you aren't sure who said it.
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What would you do in other situations where there was a possible foul and you did not see it? Would you make it up? Would you call a foul if you were not sure if there was a foul in the first place? I would hope you would not call something you were not sure of in those cases. I would hope you used the same kind of judgment in this situation.
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Originally posted by JohnBark
that's my only sticking point. i certainly won't penalize a player for something i'm not sure he/she did. that was the whole point to the original post. if you hear the "f-bomb" from the team huddle during a TO, who do you penalize? that type of language is not called for.
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First of all I am not near the huddle to hear much of what is said. Secondly, if you did not hear something, then you need to pay attention the next time to catch the person that is using that language if it matters that much to you. At least from my experience I hear more from the fans than what is said in a team huddle during timeouts. Or I am talking with my partners in those situations and I have no idea what is said by anyone. If calling a T is just like any other call, then you have to put yourself in a better position to make a call the next time. To penalize players and coaches based on a guess it to me just plain wrong in my opinion.
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Originally posted by JohnBark
and i believe after reading all the post, that a TEAM T under 10-1-8 would be the appropriate ruling. you can't penalize a player, because you don't know who said it. and you can't directly penalize the coach either, because he didn't say it. but, i bet by issuing a TEAM T, that language will no longer occur during that game.
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The great thing about this forum is you can do whatever you like and draw any conclusion you can think of. I think what you suggest might cause more confusion and more animosity than solving whether someone uses language. I have seen a lot of times in small gyms where fans say things and you might not realize who is actually talking. To penalize a team for something they might not even have said is just plain wrong as I stated before. I also do not care about, "free shots." I have always felt that our job as officials is to call obvious actions and not go looking for something to call. If they used language and I did not hear it, I am not going to worry too much about what I missed. It is not uncommon for in certain confrontation situations for the officials to see the second action or the retaliation, so players should act as if they are being watched and if they are penalized, that is their problem. I am not going to catch every single foul and violation when the play is going on, why should I expect that I am not going to hear every word in a huddle during a timeout?
Peace