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Originally posted by JCrow
I Coach & Ref in a YMCA Youth League. The NBA Traveling and High School Traveling Rule is very different. Kids get confused by watching NBA players stop their dribble, hop off "two" feet and land with the ball. That's Traveling in HS.
Here's a comparison of the two Rules:
Note: Catching one's own attempt is legal in HS while traveling in the NBA. Also, in the NBA.....a player can stop his dribble, land on two feet holding the ball, jump and land holding the ball and if neither foot is head of the other....PIVOT! That's way outside of the HS Rule and causes alot of arguments.
I try to teach the kids a HS move where they stop the dribble, land on one foot with he ball, jump off one foot land on two and then jump off two feet to the left or right for their shot. That's a very effective move for a kid to have but it takes a ton of practice.
NBA
Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. The first count occurs: (1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it. (2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultaneously after he receives the ball if both feet are off the floor when he receives it. The second occurs: (1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. A player who receives the ball while standing still, or who comes to a legal stop while holding the ball, may lift the pivot foot or jump when he shoots for the goal or passes, but the ball must leave his hands before the pivot foot again touches the floor, or before either foot again touches the floor if the player has jumped.
g. In starting a dribble after receiving the ball while standing still, or after coming to a legal stop, a player may not jump before the ball leaves his hands, nor may he lift the pivot foot from the floor before the ball leaves his hands.
h. A player who leaves the floor with the ball must pass or shoot before he returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
i. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not make progress by sliding.
j. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, rim or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opponent at the sideline, nearest the spot of the
violation.
NFHS
(A player may legally rebound his/her own shot without traveling, even if the shot is an air-ball, as long as the release is a legitimate shot attempt in the opinion of the officials. (Case Book 4.42B).)
A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands:
1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.
2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
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JCrow the NBA and HS traveling rule is not that different at all. The only reason the NBA's looks so different is because the NBA is better at setting guidelines, such as this case with the 1,2 count. The NFHS is not that good at all at setting guidelines. As far as guidelines go you ought to compare the NBA official's manual to the NFHS's. The NBA official's manual has every guideline play possible in it. If anyone can get a hold of one of these I would highly suggest it. It is full of great info. The only difference I see in the NBA traveling rule and NFHS is the consecutive hop where in the NBA you can't pick up your dribble with your right foot being on the floor and jump off your right foot.
In your note section you said a player in the NBA can stop his dribble, land on two feet holding the ball, jump and land holding the ball and if neither foot is ahead of the other..pivot. That is definitely not the case that is an easy walk call.
As far as the move you teach those kids. That is totally legal and I am proud you are teaching those kids a proper jump stop.
IMO JCROW, the NBA travel call is as pure of form traveling call as you can have, for that matter I believe NBA officiating is the purest form of officiating, because of those strict guidelines they set and put in place.
es0teric_cha0s:
If you go into your jump stop before you pick up the ball or gather the ball, you can land on any foot at anytime, but understand the first foot to hit is the pivot, because when you do that the first foot that hits, in the terms of the NBA, is the 1st part of your 1,2 count and the second foot is the second count.
If you do the same thing as stated above and you land on both feet simultaneously, that is just a 1 count and you can pivot with either foot.
Now a different scenario:
You go for your jump stop after you have already gathered the ball on the floor. You can still jump off one foot for the jump stop, but you have done used 1 count by gathering the ball on the floor, and so you have to land with both feet hitting the floor at the same time and not being able to pivot.
Most officials don't get to picky about this "did he gather right before he jumped or not" deal. I hope I have been of some help.