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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
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Originally posted by refTN
#1... Since it is the end of a period, can't the coach ask without being charged? I thought this rule only applied to the coach wanting to stop play during a live ball or some time during a quarter? It really doesn't make any sense to charge it when they would be going to their huddle anyway would it?
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Above is the correct answer - isn't it? The quarter is over. The game is tied. The coach now has another time out (for the overtime period). But why would you even charge a timeout - the clock is stopped for the intermission between the 4th quarter and the overtime. Charge a technical foul! Holy cow! Have the referees got a date after the game or what? I suppose because they charged a time out and a Technical they will also consider the points scored on the T as part of the 4th so they won't have to work the overtime.
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Tony, it's the rulez! The only time that a coach is allowed to go to the scoring table is if he wants to request a TO for a correctible error. Period! If he's there for any other reason, it's supposed to be an automatic "T". See rule 10-5-1(b). And if the coach does go to the table about a correctible error, you have to charge him with a TO if the error wasn't correctible. Rule 5-11EXCEPTION2.
Also check out case book play 10.5SitD:
"The coach of team A leaves the bench area and goes to the table to seek information other than a correctible error: (a)during a time-out; or(b) during the intermission between the first and second quarters.
RULING: A technical foul is charged directly to the coach in both (a) and (b). If this information is required, it must be secured by a manager or statistician,etc, when the clock is stopped and the ball is dead. A coach is not permitted at the table for this purpose. To allow exceptions would open the door for exploitation and would result in situations which could not be enforced consistently".
Note that the time between the end of the fourth quarter and an OT period is also an "intermission" also, as per rule 5-7-1.
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 1st, 2005 at 09:07 PM]
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No, Tony, we're not slow,
you're just not reading all of the rules. JR pointed out one, but there is another casebook play which is also pertinent to what you wrote.
You said, "The quarter is over. The game is tied. The coach now has another time out (for the overtime period)."
This is not true. The extra time-out is not available until the OT starts (ball becomes live). Check out 5.12.4 Situation B.
Of course, you are correct that the T is assessed to begin the OT, since the score was tied at the end of the 4th quarter. The free throws will not end the game, and the entire OT period will be played.
Just remember that intermissions in NFHS basketball are a specific length. You don't extend them just because a coach has a question. Also, whenever a coach wants to appeal a correctable error issue (or timing or AP arrow), he has to risk a TO, no exceptions!