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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by M&M Guy
That's where all the fun and frivolity has ensued. You could say, as long as his feet are still in the space, that he hasn't left.
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But, a person is OOB if touoching OOB, not "all the way" OOB. And, a person is in the two-point area (aka "out of the three-point area") when touching the two-point area, not all the way in the two point area. Similarly with the lane (three seconds), back court, etc. I don't think it's a stretch to say the person is out of the lane space when touching the floor outside the lane space.
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And, the biggest issue is 9-1-9 that says only the feet can't be beyond the lane space marks.
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That's just an additional requirement. It has nothing to do with touching the floor outside the lane space. Don't reach with the foot, OR don't touch with any other body part -- do either one and you've violated.
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Remember, I agree with you in practice. (Well, at least until my final year.) It's just interesting to note in all of your examples, such as OOB, 3-pt. vs. 2-pt. shots, etc., there is something specifically mentioned in the rules about what is in or out. For OOB, the rule says, "the player", not just a specific body part. However, in this single case of the FT, the player as a whole isn't mentioned, neither is "the lane"; only the fact that the feet can't break the plane of the lane line. It also doesn't say it's an additional requirement.
Again, I think we all agree we should call the violation. But, as JR is so fond of saying, "Can you give me the specific rule citation to back it up?" (I knew I could find a way to drag him into it...)