Tue Aug 23, 2005, 09:11am
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Originally posted by mikesears
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Rule 5-2-4 specifically states that if a foul occurs during a free kick, the next down will also be a free kick down. It makes no exceptions for a touchback. Seems pretty cut and dried to me that if K wants to accept the penalty for R's batting foul, they are going to be rekicking the ball per 5-2-4, regardless of the results of the play.
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So Mike, if you have a USC foul on K during a free kick, the only option for R is to decline the foul or free kick again after the penalty enforcement? USC is a SSpot foul, as is DB, and nonplayer. If these would be SSpot enforcements, so would (d) in the same rule 10-4-5 which is "if the final result is a touchback."
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I stand by my position. Obviously, we enforce ALL USC, dead ball, and nonplayer fouls from the succeeding spot ALL THE TIME. There is no rule contrary to this anywhere else in the book.
How do you rule on this play?
4th and Goal on R's 5-yard line. K1's field goal attempt is partially blocked and rolls to the 4-yard line. R1 then bats the ball out the back of their own end zone. What is the result of this play but more importantly, how do we enforce this?
[Edited by mikesears on Aug 23rd, 2005 at 09:41 AM]
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Mike, in your play, it was a grounded scrimmage kick that R gave a new force to and when they batted it out the back of their EZ we have a safety.
Now back to the other. Rule 10-4-5 says "the BS is the SSpot:
(a) for USC
(b) for DB
(c) for NP
(d) when the final result is a TB
Now if you agree that a, b, and c are SSpot enforcements, why would (d) not be. I know what 5-2-4 says but it seams pretty clear that rule 10-4-5-d takes care of the exact play being discussed and that 5-2-4 just does not say anything about it being different if the final result is a TB, which 10-4-5 does.
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Force is not a factor on kicks entering R's endzone. These are always a touchback. Given this, how is this enforced?
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Duh, I knew that one, just typed before I thought. We have the BS is the 20 and the foul behind the BS so enforeced from the spot of the foul.
Now how are you arguing my point of enforceing 10-4-5 a-c one way, and (d) another way?
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