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Mark: a good example of this particular discretion is when A1 is on a breakaway and B1 fouls A2 before A1 has picked the ball up for the layup/dunk. This is not covered by the rule exception designed to thwart this kind of behavior . . . but, unless the foul is outrageous, a T (unsportsmanlike conduct - you can always call that, yuh know!) or an intentional personal is overkill. Just delay the whistle slightly . . .
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There is no rule in the book that will allow you to call a "T" for a contact foul during a live ball. You cannot call a "T" on B1 on this play and hold your whistle until later. The rules will NOT let you do that. You can only delay non-contact unsporting "T"s if the other team is on a breakaway.
Also, on this play, if B1 fouls A2 before A1 has picked the ball up, you have 4 options--and 4 options ONLY- (1)call a common personal foul on B1(2)call an intentional personal foul on B1(3)call a flagrant personal foul on B1 or(4)ignore the foul and let A1 complete the play. If you do call a foul, you HAVE to call it immediately and kill the play. You CANNOT defer this call.There is absolutely no rules backing that will allow you to do that.
Wrong advice completely.
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Oh balderdash. As you would say, sheer idiocy. Fine, call a flagrant intentional personal foul if you like - but in any case, don't allow the clown to take away the legitimately earned two points. Just blow slow.
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Balderdash?
Find somebody with a rule book and ask them if the ball is dead after a made basket and what rules then come into place re: contact fouls.
If you ever find any rule(s) anywhere that will back up what you are proposing, feel free to cite them for us.
Until then, anybody that would ever try to follow your advice is making one helluva big mistake imo.
Btw, what is a flagrant intentional personal foul? I've never heard of that particular type of foul and I can't seem to find any mention of anything like that in the rule book either. Is that another rule that you're making up yourself?
Lah me.
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What is the penalty for an intentional personal foul?
What is the penalty for a flagrant personal foul?
As for your tightness, I know (and sure, you know just the opposite) 'high level' officials, high school, D3 college, who take exactly the approach I have suggested. Justice is served, sleight of hand is all that's required. [/B][/QUOTE]I know what the penalties for both those fouls are. Now how is that relevant to anything that we're discussing in this thread? I also know that there's no such thing as a flagrant intentional personal foul, which is something that you didn't know obviously.
As for my tightness, I'm also much too old to be tight anymore.
You're right on one thing though. I sureashell certainly
don't know any "high level" official that would ever delay the call until a basket was made and then call a delayed intentional or flagrant personal foul on a off-ball foul that occured before the basket was made.
I also hope that I will
never,ever know any official that would do something like that either- at any level.