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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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A6 - Two flagrant technical fouls and disqualified.
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Disagree. A6 gets only 1 T for leaving the bench and participating in a fight.. It is flagrant and A6 is disqualified. While it is and extended act, it is still a single act.
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Okay, I struggled with this part. 10-4-1h states it is a flagrant technical foul for bench personnel to be charged with fighting. 10-4-4 states that it is a flagrant technical foul to leave the bench during a foul. That's two, but the casebook seems to indicate that only one foul would be charged to an offender. [/B]
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Only one of them has actually occurend. 10-4-1h supercedes 10-4-4. It may not be clear, but that is what is intended.
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Since A6 should only get 1 T, there are no FTs (offsetting) and A's Coach has only one indirect T. Even if there were two T's on A6, A's coach would still have only 2 indirect T's and would not be ejected. A coach is only ejected on two direct T's or 3 total T's.
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...the head coach is assessed two indirect technical
fouls, one because A6 left the bench and one because he was involved in the fight. See the casebook play below.
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10.4.4A.
Play: Post-players A1 and B1 begin punching each other and play is stopped. Two substitutes from each team leave the bench area and come onto the court. The four substitutes: (a) do not become involved in the fight; or (b)
all become involved in the fight; or (c) substitutes A6, A7, and B6 do not participate in the fight,
but B7 becomes involved in the fight.
Ruling: A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant fouls and are disqualified, but no free throws result from the double personal foul. The four substitutes are charged with flagrant technical fouls and are disqualified. No free throws are awarded for the simultaneous technical fouls as the number committed and the penalties are the same for both teams. In (a), one technical foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach of each team.
In (b), each head coach is charged indirectly with two technical fouls (one for each bench player leaving the bench and becoming involved in the fight). In (c), the Team A head coach is charged indirectly with one technical foul and
the Team B head coach is indirectly charged with two technical fouls (one for substitutes B6 and B7 leaving the bench, and one for B7 becoming involved in the fight).
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So, in our play, we have simultaneous technical fouls by B2 and A6. We don't shoot any FTs unless A1 gets FTs for being in the bonus. If the foul occurred first, we will have to re-jump. If the violation occurred first, B will get the ball. And I'll allow A's head coach to stay but he has to
sit down.
But I still don't understand why A6 gets only 1 T but the coach is assessed 2 indirects, which is correct. A6 should be assessed 2 T's as well.
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In the case you cite, there were multiple players involved. The coach gets a single indirect T for all players who leave the bench and do not fight. The coach also gets an indirect T for each and every player who leaves the bench and fights. The two categories are non-overlapping...the infraction can only be declared one or the other--not both.
So, in situation (c) in the case, there is one T for B6 and one for B7. Notice that in situation (b) that only 2 were given. By the pattern you've suggested, it should have been 3....one for all players leaving the bench and one for each involved in the fight.
One easy way to remember it...the coach never receives more indirect T's that the number of total T's called on the involved players.
[Edited by Camron Rust on Sep 17th, 2001 at 07:01 PM]