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Originally posted by RamTime
I am a little confused here.
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"In your case, the ball would be returned to the spot of the fumble, and since you were in the last 2 minutes of either 1/2 the clock starts on the snap"
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This seems like it is a way to stop the clock without using a timeout and without getting out of bounds. In other words a ball carrier sees he isn't going to make it OOB however he is close enough to safely fumble the ball before he is down and the ball succesfully makes it out of bounds. the ball is placed at the spot of the fumble and the clock stops as if he actually got out of bounds and does not start until the snap?
That seems wrong.
Is it a judgment call as far as intentional?
It seems there would be a rule (as far as time keeping) covering fumbles that go out of bounds in the final 2 minutes weather they be intentional or not.
This seems more fair to the defense to me.
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If your play happens in under the last two minutes then you would have a 10 second run off. 5 yard penalty from the spott of the foul unless it was behind the LOS. Then it is enforced from the previous spot. The player that fumbles must recover the ball, if not the ball is spotted at the spot of the fumble and the clock will start on the ready.
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I think the problem would be ruling a fumble intentional. If it is obvious, then a fumble forward would be a incomplete illegal forward pass, but I would have hard time saying a "fumble" was intentional if the runner did not make some type of 'passing-like' motion.
Also, I guess I can't really see a problem with a ball that is fumbled backwards going OOB. We could argue about it, but I don't really think it is unfair or should be illegal.
Finally, under NFL rules (which I know very little about) it sounds like the offense would still partially get what they want since the clock stops until the ready (or 'wind of the game clock signal').