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I may not have presented this the way I should have and I apologize if you feel I've wasted anyone's time. In any case, thanks for the input.
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Don't crawl into your shell. I was just yankin' your chain. Note the  at the top of my reply to Chris.
But to make a point, you made it a point to write "B-2 is out of the visual field of A-1 (he doesn't have eyes behind his head)." As I said earlier, that doesn't have anything to do with whether there's a foul or not.
You scenarios just seemed more concerned with whether the plays were a foul or not, than it using a patient whistle.
JMHO
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No shell here. If I had a shell, I'd be a soft shell crab. The reason why I put that statement into my play was
Rule 4-27-5 Incidental contact - If, however a player approaches an opponent from behind or from a position from whic he/she has no reasonable chance to play the ball without making contact with the opponent, the responsibility is on the player in the unfavorable position.
What does that rule have to do with your statement regarding whether there's a foul or not? Am I misinterpreting it?
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Tony had temporarily overlooked that reference.
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Not true, juules. 4-27-5 is saying the same thing that I stated. The player coming from behind is the player in the unfavorable position. He/she is responsible for the contact if any occurs. Such contact is not considered incidental. If the contact causes A1 to lose the ball, it's a foul. No consideration is given to B1, just because A1 doesn't see him.