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Originally posted by deecee
a defender can move side to side or even backwards and draw a charge --
now from what you said the dribbler jumped (so i am assuming a jump stop) and after he jumped the defender moved into postion by where the dribbler was going to land -- this is a block as a player who shoots the ball has a right to return to the floor safely -- same holds true for the dribbler -- now i dont call it a block if the act was very exaggerated -- ie. a running layup where the offensive player jumps forward about 6 feet -- not fair to penalize the defense there -- in this case a normal jump stop is a couple feet in most instances so this would be a block -- now if the defender was there before the player jumps then its a charge assuming there was enough contact to warrant one -- in this instance most times its a nocall as the defender will stumble back for a foot or two regain balance quick and resume defending a held ball with a player who cannot pivot.
Dribbler initated contact on an established defender -- charge
Defender initiated contact by moving to position after dribbler jumped -- block
dribbler passes the ball and then hits defender
a) if defender was there before the jump started -- push on the offense
b) if defender was there after the jump started -- block/nocall depending on severity of contact
[Edited by deecee on Jun 2nd, 2005 at 04:21 PM]
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Thanks for helping me again, Deecee.
What I have understanded so far are, after establishing his legal guarding position:
1. a defender is allowed to moves to maintain his LGP.
2. a defender is not allowed not move into the other player, for example, move into a dribbler who has his head and shoulder passed defender's torso.
3. a defender is not allowed to move under or in front of airborne player
without the ball, or after the airborne player just releases the ball.
what I still strugle with are, after establishing his legal guarding position:
1. whether a defender is allowed to move under or in front of airborne player
with the ball, either a ball holder or a dribbler?
2. similarly, whether a defender is allowed to move in front of player with the ball who had changed his direction to avoid defender and is in a such state that it is impossible for the ball handler to stop or change direction yet again if the defender moves into his new path the 2nd time? for example, the dribbler changes direction and accelerates by making a huge stride attempting to run by the defender (in fact, the run has to be a jump), but the defender moves infront of him again before that stride finishes and contact happens on defender's front torso.
in both cases, I think the defender still in LGP, in the same time, I also think the contact is really initiated by the defender while maintaining his LGP. so I do not know how to make the call, even in theory.
I'd like to call blocking fouls in both cases, but I do not know the exact rule basis for the calls. Actually, I believe lots ref would call charge foul in case 2.
I am glad you confirmed my call in the case 1. but wonder the reason why you do not call blocking in case 2.
Thanks.