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Originally posted by Dakota
When do the hands separate in this? If they have separated before this begins, this is an illegal pitch. She cannot reverse the forward motion once the hands separate. She can take a backswing, but once she starts forward from the backswing, she may not reverse again.
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Also, the quote above is wrong, assuming the hands have separated. Once the hands separate, there can be no reversal of the forward motion. The "double pump" after tghe hands have separated is illegal.
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Had a double pumper last night. Approaches the plate with hands separarated. Starts arms swinging before hands come together. Hands come together above her head, then separate to begin the full windmill. Perfectly legal.
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Tcannizzo, you posted some rules for slowpitch and modified pitch. They do have regulations regarding passing the hip. I was assuming coachfanmom was asking about fastpitch. The regulation there is she may not make two complete revolutions. No mention of the hip. The mention in the POE is negative - refuting the "can't pass the hip twice" - recognizing that this is a common myth.
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Right, just pointing out references to hip. So, we do not have a drunken umpire, we just have an umpire who is either applying a pitching rule from the wrong division (SP, MFP) or misapplying the FP rule based on his interpretation of the POE.