Tue Jul 17, 2001, 12:20pm
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by JeffRef
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Jeff, let me disagree for a moment. Here's the scenario. You have a foul on one end that you don't call because the shot went in. Later, you have a foul on the other end (different players) and the shot doesn't go in and you call it.
That coach yells at you to "call it both ways". We all know you should ignore him, but in this case, he has a point.
Frankly, what's the reasoning here? An off the ball foul is a foul only if the shot taken at that time goes in?
I think that's a real hard sell. Me - I call the fouls I see.
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I used to call this foul for the exact reasons you gave until one day my mentor saw me make the call in a boys varsity game. He raked me over the coals! He said that foul had absolutely nothing to do with the play and all I did was interrupt the flow of a great game. He said the boys were big and contact is expected. I asked for a rebuttal to a disagreeing coach. He said let the coach know you had a good look at the play, you saw the contact, and decided there was no advantage. He also reminded me most good coaches wouldn't object to the no-call as long as you are consistent with it.
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I'm voting with Tony on this, I don't see where it's fair to
pass just because the ball went in the hole. In fact, we
should be rewarding the shooter by giving him the FT. As
for coaches & consistency, most *good* coaches will not be
*good enough* to see you are consistent in not calling
fouls on shots that went in. They just see that things go
differently for some reason, but he's surely getting the
sh*tty end of the stick. Whatever you do don't give them
the "I saw it but the ball went in" line because they will
be all over you the first time *they* see one & the ball
doesn't go in, if not sooner. At least the *good* coaches,
anyway. There are coaches who understand
this concept, but they almost to a man (person?) disagree
with it and will use it against you when the money's on
the table. The only time I blow on a missed shot is when
the contact is marginal and I wanted to reconsider
anyway, which really does not happen all that much.
Occasionally I'll freeze up & not blow on an obvious foul
(it happens  ) and the ball not going in allows me to
blow late without too much hassle. Doesn't
happen all that often, just more often than I like.
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Dan,
The scenario we are discussing is an away from the ball foul, not a foul on the shooter.
However, in your scenario I've yet to meet a coach who understands the concept of a shooter getting fouled and it not being called. Any contact on a shooter, marginal or not is a foul and must be called!
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