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Originally posted by Rachel
I'd rather be wrong here than on the field. Do you have a rule reference on NCAA? I'll be looking.
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Therein lies the problem! There is no specific rule or case play which addresses this particular play. These are just two different interpretations using existing rules. It is a play you will probably never see happen, yet (if I heard correctly) it did happen at the NCAA level. If that is true, surely there will be at least a case play coming.
The way Henry explained it is basically this way; BR recieves an awarded base on balls, the runners move up because they are forced, not awarded. The runner from 2B attains, then places herself in jeopardy by the over-run. She then is put out because the ball is still live, and she has no protection for an over-run such as one would have at first base. This happening before the R1 touches home negates her being forced home on the base on balls.
Henry then challenged us to show why this would not be considered a timing play, or why under existing ASA rules the run would count. If the out on R2 at third is a "good out", how can a run be counted if made AFTER the third out? It just can't be justified.
I do not know who made the NCAA interp, Henry mentioned Emily Alexander, but I'm not sure that was in reference to this play, but he was clear that NCAA had a differing interpretation from ASA on this play. I have no idea why NCAA would have a different ruling on this play, and count the run, but if I were told by my UIC to call it that way for NCAA, I would, or if there were a published interp I would call it that way, otherwise I gotta agree with Henry! He knows more about it than I do!