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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
I'll still call the PC....
...if the dribble still plows him over.
Just because he flops doesn't absolve the offense from actual contact.
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Where in 4-23 does it say LGP is maintained as you are falling to the floor?
If you have this falling BEFORE the plowing through, you no-longer have LGP, and to call anything but a block is not supported by rules or common sense.
What are you calling if B1 is backpeddling and they trip and fall and then A1 lowers their shoulder to regain balance and falls over the prone B1? 
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Where does it say LGP is not maintained? Even so, there is no requirement for LGP for a PC foul. Common sense says that if B1's action does not increase or create the contact, B1 can't be guilty of a foul. All flopping usually does is decrease or eliminate the contact that would otherwise occur, if any. To call a block just because of a flop is more of a power statement...if you think you can fool me, I'll show you. I've tried the block route on a flop...it felt simply wrong.
If B1 is backpeddling and falls then A1 falls over him...nothing at all. B1 was already on the floor, the only contact was A1 falling over B1...and B1 is entitled to that spot. A1 got unlucky.
To add one more comment....
The difference in the latter case is when the contact occurs. If B1 is already on the ground by the time of contact, I agree, no PC. If B1 still takes contact in the torso in the process of falling...PC.
[Edited by Camron Rust on Mar 13th, 2005 at 03:14 AM]
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There are reasons the FED wants it to be called a T. It's dangerous, especially in the lane area, and it's unsporting.
When I first started officiating Rodman was making the flop the norm in the NBA, and it trickled down to where coaches were teaching their players to do it. In our meetings we discussed how to handle it, and we all thought a T was too harsh, so an if you flop it's a block rule was installed.
Within 2 weeks flopping stopped, because we penalized the act uniformally. Whenever a coach would question a block with, "Where's the contact?" A simple, "Then why was your player on the floor?" Did the trick.
Now I know that is drastic, but flopping was happening much more in the early 90's than it is now.
It's a no-call from me more now, but I will call it a block if they hinder the offensive players path or landing with minimal contact, especially in the lane. Both the no-call and the block call are followed with a stop flopping warning. It's rare to ever have to call a block, on a flop, on that player again.
I'd like to see an official warning and then the T, that covers the entire team, just like the delay of game technical.