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I may be out in left field on this, but I have a problem with a flop even if the defender is playing legal defense in every other regard. Just an example, a defender has LGP, he's moving backward while guarding (and still legal), but at the point of contact he intentionally flops--whether he goes to the floor or just flies back a step or two--to make the contact appear more severe than it actually was. If I can tell he's flopping, I do not want to give him the call on that.
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This is exactly what I disagree with.
If the contact is worthy of a whistle on the dribbler you cannot take it away because you suspect the defender's "motives". I don't care if he launches himself backwards over your head doing the Dean-scream and lands in the 19th row. Give him the call. 
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Amen, Dan...
My patience is sorely tested every time one of my players, who have been taught extensively all the prerogatives they gain by first ESTABLISHING LGP, are called for blocks or no calls by officials who do not have a thorough knowledge of the actions allowed to MAINTAIN LGP. Do you think my 5'6 PG is not gonna use every nuance of the rules to avoid full contact from a driving 6'2 forward???
Sorry some of you guys are so insecure that you have to defend your honor and not let a 9th grader 'get over on you'.
What happened to the concept of rewarding good defense??
I think we all know a dead-up flop when we see it but any contact that displaces the defender in this sitch warrants a PC call even if you have the psychic powers to divine the defender started moving backwards prior to contact. Don't let a mere POE jaundice your judgement.
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He's allowed to move backwards. We're all talking about the situation where the defender helps himself to the floor or adds a little emphasis to the contact to try to buy a call. That you're not going to get, not from me.
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I'll still call the PC....
...if the dribble still plows him over.
Just because he flops doesn't absolve the offense from actual contact.
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
I guess we disagree on this then. No biggy.
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"....In a perfect world, this may be true. But in my world it's a game management nightmare to call the PC foul on the play where the defender "helps himself" to the floor. First, the offensive player and coach will think they can buy that call and people will be "helping themselves to the floor" the whole game. And the other coach will think you got fooled on the play.
No call, block, T, choose one. But when the defender helps himself to the floor or tries to embellish the contact, I'll NEVER call it a PC foul."
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
"...Sure, sure. Now I'll see this crap next season and they'll tell me that you didn't have a problem with it."
Rich....
I don't think I've seen anyone make that "auto-T" for a 'flop' this season.... (Agree on your statement re: game management!)
Hey....battle @ Watertown tonight....Catholic Central vs. Randolph for spot in next week's State Tournament.
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[Edited by imaref on Mar 12th, 2005 at 11:26 AM]