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Originally posted by mikesears
I'm with Bob M on this one.
In my opinion the more specific rule that deals with our situation is the 2nd rule BECAUSE it involves R touching a scrimmage kick beyond the ENZ. That act will give the TEAM in possession of the ball a new series when the down ends. Team possession did not change during the down. An incomplete forward pass does not change team possession. Team A still has team possession.
Let's remove the incomplete pass totally from the equation. What would the ruling be? Which rule takes precedence?
[Edited by mikesears on Mar 9th, 2005 at 10:59 AM]
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We cannot remover the incomplete pass, cuz that is the hitch to the whole problem.
On an incomplete forward pass on 4th down, team possession does change if there are no penalties, which there were not. Now 5-2-b says you also must consider the effect of any act during the down, which R's touching is probably what determines that we will have a first down for A. I initially said the same, saw some fog with the "4th down incomplete pass" so thought I'd throw out my idea, and defend it to see how far it may get. I was fully aware I would be dispelled, and come back to my original, and safer thought. Just wanted to get the juices flowing and the rule books opened. GOOD DISCUSSION!