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Originally posted by Bob M.
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Originally posted by MJT
I called another guy on my crew, and he says A's forward pass was illegal cuz possession changed when A punted the ball, so they cannot pass it after possession has changed. I disagree! He also says that team possession must have changed on the muff by R beyond the NZ, otherwise why would K get the ball if they were in possession at the end of the down. I disagree with that as well. Team possession did not change because team B never gained player possession. I told him the rules simply says if B muffs it beyond the NZ, 1st down for whoever, but if muffed by B in or behind the NZ, A must reach the LTG. He is on vacation, and has no rule book, so just winging it. I say is wrong on both counts, but would see what you all thought.
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REPLY: I'm with you here...your crew member needs a little bit more grounding in the fundamentals!
Now, for the original play, do you think that NF 5-1-2b might play a part in the ruling? NF 5-1-2b: "After a fourth down, a new series shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down, other than a non-player or unsportsmanlike foul." The touching by B/R must be considered prior to determining who to award a new series to. Right?
Also, take a look at Case Book Play 5.1.3 Situation C, part (b) (abbreviated): 4th and 10 from K's 45-yard line. K1 punts the ball beyond the NZ, R1 muffs it back behind the NZ where K1 recovers and throws a forward pass to K3 which is complete and the 50 and R1 interferes with K3.
Ruling: Since R1touched the locl beyond the NZ, it will be first down for the team in possession. The pass is legal, as there has been no change of possession. If K accepts the penalty for interference, it will be K's ball at R's 40-yard line.
Unfortunately, they don't say what the result would be if K declined the penalty. The reason for this omission is that it's obvious K will accept, since declination would give K a first down at the 50. K gains 10 yards by accepting the penalty.
[Edited by Bob M. on Mar 9th, 2005 at 09:25 AM]
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The casebook play is totally different cuz the pass is complete. I think you are probably correct on the whole matter, but the fact of the incomplete forward pass on 4th down is the problem. The problem then becomes, who is in possession at the end of the 4th down incomplete pass??????? Do you at least agree that being it was an incomplete pass on 4th down that we have some fog over the situation??