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Originally posted by Delaware Blue
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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Note that there's often a difference between "put out" (an act by the defense) and "declared out" (a violation by the offense noted by the umpire)
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I agree. There is a difference between being put out and declared out. In either case (the base on balls cited in the rule or the home run in the original post), the runner or BR reaches the awarded base and touches it prior to either being put out or declared out beyond that base. In both cases, the runner and batter-runner touched the base necessary to "force" the preceding runner to score. For the intent of the rule, I do not believe there is a distinction. But there may be. I haven't found a professional interpretation that would contradict the application of 7.04(b) during the dead ball situation as originally posted. If there is, I'd be interested in reading it since I'm always willing to learn.
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Try this, from NAPBL:
3.14 PASSING A PRECEDING RUNNER:
Any runner is out when he passes a preceding runner before such runner is out.
Play: Bases loaded, two out. Batter hits home run out of ball park but passes runner on first before runner on third reaches the plate. All runners continue around the bases and touch home.
Ruling: No runs score; this is a time play. [Note clarification to Official Rule 4.11© Approved Ruling.]