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Originally posted by Maverick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Maverick
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Originally posted by Daryl H. Long
Maverick,
Glad someone else has taken BZ to task about his misapplication of which rule covers the situation.
In an earlier post I said this play more closely resembles 5.10.1 Situation A because of the addition of foul before the buzzer.
Sinse Rar (the original poster) has clarified questions I asked and has stated now that the foul occurred after the buzzer to signal the clock ran out.
In that case put the time back on the clock and allow A the throwin they were entitled to. i don't call this a "do over" because they never got to "do" in the first place.
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You are spending too much time around MTD, if you think the only case play covering an OFFICIAL'S error causing time to expire, is misapplied in a thread about an OFFICIAL'S error causing time to expire. 
Compare the comment under timing mistakes in the case book, 5-9-1 in the rule book, and what happened in the play in question and it all equals one thing...AN OFFICIAL'S ERROR!
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I don't think anyone is arguing that it is not an official's error. But I haven't seen any rule book reference saying you can't correct an official's error in this situation.
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Rule book 5-10, case book comment about that rule:
Timing mistakes which may be corrected are LIMITED TO THOSE WHICH RESULT FROM THE TIMER'S NEGLECT TO STOP OR START THE CLOCK AS SPECIFIED BY THE RULES.
5-9-1 After time has been out, the clock shall be started when THE OFFICIAL SIGNALS TIME-IN.
You just said this play is an official's error and 5-10 clearly states that the only time the clock can be adjusted is on a timer's error.
There is no rule or case play that allows for time being adjusted on an official's error.
So as I have said since the first post, by rule you cannot fix it.
In practice I'm envoking 2-3, to fix the mistake, but that is fudging since 5.10.1.C does cover the situation.
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Not at all correct. I don't see the word "only" anywhere in 5-10. 5-10 is dealing with timer's mistakes and says officials can correct them. It doesn't say that is the only kind of timing mistake that officials can correct. 2-5-5 does however say that the referee can correct "obvious timing errors" and makes no mention of who caused the timing error. You keep seeing one example of a timing error and thinking that applies to all timing errors.
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You are like talking to a freaking rock, I quoted the stupid rule that said ONLY A TIMER'S ERROR MAY BE CORRECTED.
I'm done, you are wrong, and it is obvious you will NEVER get it.