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Originally posted by collinb
I need help on finding a rule.
Here is the situation. Two outs with runners on second and third. Ground ball to shortstop who bobbles ball and drops it. Once the runner on second sees the ball bobbled heads to third. running on third is heading home on pitch. The shortstop decides to throw to third. I am base ump sees a tag and calls the third out. Mean while the runner on third crosses home plate before the out. Now a discussion happens on whether the run scores. The plate umpires ask my opinion and I say that if the third out is not a force play and the runner crossed the plate before the third out the run counts.
One of the coaches feverishly goes through rule book for the next two innings and then convinces the plate umpire that the run should only count if the batter-runner made it to first before the third out.
Someone help me here. I can't find the rule the coach showed the plate umpire. As it turned out it was not a close game. Home team 10 visitors 2.
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Point 1: The rules section of the ASA book is only 120 or so pages. I am sitting here trying to imagine a coach "feverishly" going through this book for "the next two innings"
Point 2: There is an ASA rule (8-2-D) that says the BR is out if she fails to advance to 1B and enters the team area (dugout). This can't be a fourth out appeal, though, I don't believe.
Point 3: There is an ASA rule (8-8-G) that says the BR can be appealed if she fails to touch 1B. This would be a force out, so no run would score. But two innings later is too late for the appeal.
From your description, it sounds like the BR touched 1B, but she did it after the 3rd out. This is not the situation for a fourth out appeal. The run scores.
There is no rule that says
that the run should only count if the batter-runner made it to first before the third out.
Sounds like the coach ran a pretty good bluff on an umpire who did not know the rules very well.