Thread: Ball Four?
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Old Tue Nov 30, 2004, 12:55am
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"By the way, is it an illegal pitch in ASA (including base award)? Because in HS, it's not an illegal pitch... it's a ball on the batter."

Good catch, Leecedar. IP in ASA, which creates the humorous situation of calling a delayed dead ball, supposedly to give the batter an opportunity to hit the IP. Apparently ASA tried to save text by lumping eight IP's sequentially and then providing a single penalty.

NFHS lists penalties after similiar IP's, so some are delayed dead ball, and some are immediate dead ball. And the one we are discussing is not an IP, but a delay of game call against the catcher.


"If F2's return to the pitcher sails wildly over her head, and is retrieved by F8, is this considered a direct return to the pitcher?"

Way to go, Jel! Screw up the pot a little. Let's take your line a little further. Suppose the return throw is wide of the pitcher and is caught by F4. Now are all the literalists going to penalize? Or will they recognize that the catcher made a mistake (bad throw)? What if the ball comes out of her hand on the throw and rolls onto the infield and F3 comes in and picks it up?

Suppose F2 throws to F5 with R1 on 2B. Is she delaying the game? Or making a play on R1? What if R1 has already started back towards 2B; would you still call that a play? Or call it a delay and issue a penalty?

Seems like you have to leave the rule book in your car and call the game with some common sense.

WMB
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