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I think I pass on a call in the first scenario...primarily because he said the contact was incidental. To me, that means it had no impact on the attempt.
I had a similar situation last night. JV Girls tourny. Visitor is obviously more skilled, faster and exhibits more discipline in their play. I'm trail at the end of the half, horn sounds then A1 starts her attempt. B1 manages to block the shot but makes very slight contact on the hand and bumps the shooter with her body. A1 should have been given an Oscar for the flop. Me, I'm waving off the shot the entire time.
Team A coach says "You gotta call that". I calmly say "Coach, she started her attempt after the horn, the defender had a clean block and your player flopped. You are up 44-2 and that was the first time all game they have come within 3 feet of contesting a shot. Do you really want that call?" Coach takes a second and says "Good point" and walks away.
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