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Originally posted by JRutledge
I asked for help just this past season. I was the PU and there was a pitch in near the dirt. I obviously did not see if the catcher catch the ball (neither did the batter) and the batter took off for first. There was a runner on second base and the runner advanced to 3rd. The batter was safe at first because of a bad throw not caught. My partner immediately starting walking toward me (This is a D1 Umpire that worked a State Final this year). He gave me a signal as well that we talked about in the pregame that is commonly used in these parts. I went to him immediately and got help. He said that the ball was caught and I ruled the batter out. The coach came out only to complain that the runner on that was on second base and advanced to third should return. We explained to the coach this was a live ball and runners could advance at their own risk. The coach went right back to the dugout without further discussion.
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Thanks for the example, but now, if your partner had not given you the signal or been walking towards you like that, would you have gone to him on your own to get the help, or would someone have had to question your call to get you to do that?
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Originally posted by JRutledge
I know I do not care if a player thinks he was not tagged or his foot was on the base if I am in good position to see the entire play. I will ask when I do not have a really good angle or know my partner is watching on obvious plays, but I do not ask for help or want help based on what a coach does. Sorry, it does not.
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But the question is, if you did not get that good angle, and no one questioned the call, would you still go to your partner to get help?
I'm sorry but I have never once seen an umpire make a call, then call time, confer with his partner and then change the call without anyone asking.
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And it is my opinion that I can use my judgment and decide when I need help or should give help. Sorry, but coaches are not the barometer of that decision making process. Coaches ask for help on basic plays (like a tag play at second base); I am not doing that when the request is stupid and dumb to being with.
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Can you please quote anyone that says you should get help on those plays. Again, no one is saying that you go to get help everytime a coach comes out. What some of us are trying to say is that when you do go to get help, generally it is because someone has a problem with the original call.