Thu Oct 21, 2004, 03:46pm
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Get away from me, Steve.
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Originally posted by wolfpup27
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by wolfpup27
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Originally posted by Bob Lyle
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Originally posted by wolfpup27
kid: Middle English origin of "kide" and of Scandinavian origin, Old Norwegian "kith", of and pertaining to a young goat, the flesh, fur, or skin of a kid, "kidgloves" - made from the kid leather, or kid skin. (Did you always think that "kidgloves" were something that you wore when you wanted to be nice, and then take them off when you meant business?)
Kinder: derived from German meaning "children" (plural of child), as in "kindergarten" = children + garden.
Sorry everyone, just another referee who can't admit when he's wrong...
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Keep reading in your dictionary. The third definition of "kid" is "child or youngster derived from the word kinder." It was clear in my original post that I referred to youngsters, not goats.
Your line of logic is typical of the some posters from Chicago. When they can no longer defend their position, they introduce extraneous items into the discussion in order to distract the reader from the foolishness of their positions.
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Only a few of you who have replied to my OP stayed on track with my question, and they answered quite well and I understand that there is NO RULE THAT DEFINES BLATENT, or the action that the referee described. It is left up to the "judgment" of the officials. The logic that is very plain to see is that there is no logic to this method; as you have clearly pointed out with story after story after story where a different set of standards are applied depending on the official who is on the field at the time; seems very logical, or is a system fraught with peril (sorry, Bob, for the use of my extensive vocabulary).
(FYI: Bob - "I would have flagged the kid..." from your original post. Look up the word kinder in Webster's dictionary and you will see that it is only used in conjunction with "kindergarten". I would have thrown the "kid" out myself, bell probably dangling from its neck causing a raucous. Oops, sorry, 'nuther obscure word for you to ponder about its origins.)
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Do you mean a ruckus?
Get over it already. The official determined that the KID deserved to be ejected. Whine to your league if you feel it will help.
What's funny about our youth league is that we hand rating cards to the coaches before each game. Not sure what they are for, since these programs can't FIND people willing to work. It's so bad that even paying $35-$45 per game for 9 minute quarters many of the locations have to beg and plead to find three people willing to work.
Why? Because of the coaches and parents.
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If I had meant "ruckus", that's what I would have said. But I said "raucous" to give a deeper meaning and feeling to my phrase. "Ruckus" is merely a disturbance. "Raucous" means boisterously disorderly. As they as synonymic (words that have similar meanings), they could be used interchangeably, but I think my use of "raucous" was much more appropriate.
Actually, as we all know, "whining" to the league will not help as NFHS rules state that offical's judgement can not be appealed. There is no recourse that can be taken. That wasn't the point of my OP, it was just to get other's opinions and to see if there was something that I was missing as a coach, as it appeared that the official was describing a predetermined definition that made the action an "automatic ejection", similar to the good old fashioned clothesline.
It is a shame about the lack of support that your officials are given at the youth levels, and vice versa. Several years ago, before I became the facilitator of our league, we had similar problems. We couldn't pay enough to have officials come out for us. We instituted procedures to help this out, and one of the procedures was to review these types of personal fouls and ejections. In some case we've imposed harsher penalties including disqualifying players for the entire season, removing coaches from the sideline permanently, and disallowing parnts who cause problems from even enrolling their player. This has made tremendous differences. As a matter of fact, just this morning, I received a message from the assigning secretary for our local officials association that our league play-offs will be fully staffed at merely $20 per game. I think that this is a huge success, seeing where we came from just a few short years ago.
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Well, I never thought raucous was a noun. Never mind.
Agreed on the rest, though. And I'm sure there are many programs out there that work this way. I'm involved with one such program, but in baseball -- a local Little League that, for the most part, treats its umpires with respect.
And a basketball league in the winter, too.
It's never been about the money for me. In the winter I work a Saturday youth basketball league in a small town that pays me less than a much closer league would pay per game. Why? In two seasons I've never had a single technical foul there and never a single problem with a coach and sometimes we do six games a day. At the end of each of the past two seasons I've received a thank you card from the league. I'm sure I'll go back this season, if I'm able (my wife's due in January and I plan on cutting back a bit this season).
Two more games and the white pants go away for another season.
--Rich
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