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Originally posted by jumpmaster
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Originally posted by Atl Blue
Outs made prior to the ball becoming lodged stand.
The problem with this interpretation is that the ball is lodged as soon as it goes INTO the glove, not when an umpire sees that the player can't remove it. Therefore, with the above ruling, ANY outs made after the ball is caught would not be allowed because the ball is lodged.
The logical answer is the player that caught the ball, even if the ball is "lodged", can do anything to cause an out (i.e., tag a base, tag a runner, make the catch, etc.). What he can't do is remove the glove and give/toss it to another player, or use the detached glove to tag a runner.
The problem lies not with the person that still has the ball, it lies with what to do when he can't give it to someone else. That's the point where we should stop allowing outs and award bases. Anything prior to trying to remove the ball stands.
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I agree with you, but in order to enforce this do we need another interp from the FED? The original interp dealt with the concept of dead ball status after the U discovers the ball is lodged or as we say here "stuck". As Papa C so aptly pointed out, a "stuck" ball is a lodged ball.
A little hillbilly logic based upon the FED interp (in honor of advocus diablo):
lodged ball = dead ball; dead ball = no outs, safes or runs can occur; therefore any out that occurs during a lodged ball are negated, even if the lodged ball is not known at the time the out is called. (A=B, B=C, A=C)
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Alan:
That is clearly not the intent of the FED committee or of Mr. Hopkins. Their sole idea is: They don't want a glove and ball flying about the infield.
Reductio ad absurdum (Hey, you used a little Latin)
Play: 1 out, R3, third baseman playing in to guard against a bunt. B1 smashes a hard line drive, caught by F5. He tags third and trots into his third-base dugout. The plate umpire (two-man crew) heads for the steps to retrieve the ball (they only have three in play) and sees the third baseman struggling to remove the ball.
Ruling: "Hey, that's a lodged ball!" he cries; he returns everybody to the field, sends R3 home to score, and puts B1 on second. Then he grabs his cell phone to arrange for security to ensure he gets to his car safely and out of town in one piece.
Get serious, guys.
Nothing more is needed. The published rationale (Tim Stevens' article on Officiating.com) for the interpretation says it all:
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The rules committee does not want to run the risk of having loose equipment flying around the field under any circumstances, short tosses notwithstanding.
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As I am wont to ask: What's hard about that?