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Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Do you work with any of these guys? I didn't think so.
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Wow, you are really bright.
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Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
You dismissed the examples I gave, because you don't work with them and they agreed with me. If you read the others - even some that you mentioned - they have either been involved in plays that were overruled or don't think that they can or were handled properly. You have just shown all of us that you have a double standard.
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What are you talking about? I just point out that most people think you cannot overrule your partner. And it does not matter if more people feel one way or another, this is not a vote. I do know this; we got rid of a guy on my crew because he tried to do things that undermined his fellow officials.
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Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
By the way, I spoke with a pretty good referee last night. In addition to multiple baseball State Finals, he and his crew have worked the IHSA football playoffs for six straight years. When I asked him about overruling a partner, he asked if I had ever seen a referee wave off a flag thrown by a partner. I asked if this was just semantics and he said, that the way his crew handles it, if they get together and agree that the flag was bogus he will over rule it. But, since you don't work with him, he must be a bad official with bad mechanics.
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I work on a crew that worked a State Final just last season. It was their second State Final in the past 4 years. I am the 6th man and the youngest member on the crew and the only non-Certified Officials on that crew. The crew has very strong personalities, including myself. I have worked about 18 varsity games (not including the lower level games) with them over the past two years. There has never been a time where they "overruled" another partner on a game I worked with them or a game they have talked about. There are at times like any crew, disagreements on calls and mechanics. I have NEVER seen an official on that crew "overrule" each other.
You keep talking about how a flag is picked up and giving that as an example of being overruled. First of all, it is not a penalty until the Referee administers the foul. The calling official might pick up the flag on their own (they have to still tell the Referee) if they see something that changed it. A fellow official might ask them a question that could change their mind. On my crew I tell guys that throw flags together, talk before you get to me. They might decide that one of the flags was improper or decide they have the same thing or just decide they have nothing. But until they tell me what the foul(s) are, no foul has taken place. I have not given a preliminary signal, nor have I given the captains their options.
I do not care what your friend says, because he very will not be considered an elite officials or his crew might not be considered elite. There are a lot of crews that only work first round games and never progress much further than that. So his baseball accomplishments are not relevant to other sports. I work with guys that just did a State Final; I guess they have no idea from your point of view?
Peace