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CARTER
Gee, you had me agreeing there right up to the last paragraph.
1. Rule or ruling for "If the B/R fails to touch first and ROUNDS it he has removed the "TOUCH" ... and any runs that have scored are allowed", please?
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Once the runner passes first and rounds it he is assumed to have touched it and has removed the force (TOUCH), pending appeal.
If the runner is then tagged out for the third out it would not be an appeal play it is simply an off base out and for that reason all previous runs would score. Why wouldn't they? The runner was not put out BEFORE reaching first.
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2. Did you mean 7.10(c): ["[BR] overruns ... 1stB and fails to return immediately ..."]? O/W what does missing home have to do with anything here?
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No, I meant 7.10(d). About thirty years ago MLB extended 7.10(d) to all bases, not just home, in order to make a missed base appeal the same on all bases.
OBR 7.10(b) can only be used when the bases are touched out of order. As you can plainly see in this play, the B/R failed to touch first in passing and never got to second.
That being the case, how did he touch the bases out of order, he didn't touch any? As I said, only if he touched second he then could have been appealable under 7.10(b) OR (d) Extended. Forget 7.10(c) as it is written totally wrong.
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3. And, if I am understanding you correctly, by what ruling or logic does 7.10(b) not mean exactly what it says: "[Any runner is out on appeal when ...] with the ball in play, while advancing or returning to a base, he fails to touch each base in order before he, or the missed base, is tagged"? As I read that rule: if BR misses 1st and, w/BR halfway to 2nd - F3 tags the base while holding the ball and appeals that the runner missed, then BR is called out on the appeal. If there is AO/R to the contrary, I have never seen it.
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In your play above where the B/R misses first and is half way to second he cannot be appealed under 7.10(b) because he hasn't touched an advance base.
In order to touch the bases out of order the runner has to touch one, then miss one and then touch another, that did not happen so OBR 7.10(b) cannot be used. You have to use 7.10(d) when the runner fails to touch a base in passing and then LEAVES the immediate area (I use the cutout) of that base he can now be appealed. If he stays in the immediate area of the base he must be tagged, an appeal is not allowed, ever. G.
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