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Originally posted by DG
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Originally posted by David B
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Originally posted by Blue37
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Originally posted by DG
I will read the rest of the posts later, but respond first. Joe is PU. "Joe said it looked to him like the batter was safe" and BU wanted him to say that he was off the bag so they can get it right, but then Joe told you "the 1st baseman stretched hard toward second to receive the relay and did come off the bag after receiving the throw, but was definitely in contact with the bag when the throw was received". Sounds like Joe, the PU, can't make up his mind.
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DG,
I apologize for giving any indication that Joe was indecisive. He said he watched the FPSR at second then swiveled to first to watch for the pulled foot/swipe tag. He felt the batter beat the throw and was surprised by the out call, although it was a bang-bang play.
The whole thrust of this question is that the base ump kicked the call, knew he kicked the call, but did not have the courage to correct his error. He asked the PU to compromise his integrity by lying in the interest of "getting it right".
P.S. As I am sure you have surmised, this is a hypothetical situation made up to generate more discussion about what lengths should be taken to get the call right.
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Wait a minute. Its a bang bang play at first and the PU who is half way to the mound can see that the batter beat the throw.
I don't even want to go there.
Its a bang bang play live with the call.
Its BU's call all the way.
PU keep his mouth shut and return to the plate for the next pitch.
And if a coach asks me, I'm going to tell him, "ask the BU, he made the call."
This is getting ridiculous.
thanks
David
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The only reason I would discuss this with BU is to tell him that he has made a call and we will live with it. Because we discussed it, and did not change the call, it gives appearance that agreement is reached, without having to lie about it. Plus, it gives me good opportunity to make sure BU knows that if he wants help on a call he has to ask before he makes the call, not after. This would have been a pre-game emphasis that he forgot in the heat of the bang-bang play. [/B]
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We are at the game to umpire. I don;t need the BU coming to me after every close pitch just to give the appearance that agreement has been reached.
If I'm the PU, I have responsibilities. That does not include making sure that we are in agreement or give the appearance of agreement on every call.
My BU surely needs to know I support him, and if its a pulled foot then surely he can ask for help etc.,
But, on a
"bang bang play" as the original poster said the play at first was, then that is BU's call all the way. There is nothing to discuss.
If BU is a young umpire, I might say loudly "good call" just to keep his confidence up, but I'm not going to even hint that I have anything to do with the play.
If a coach wants a discussion, then he can go to the umpire who made the call period.
If the BU wants to talk to me, then I'll quickly answer his questions and then continue the game. We as umpires don't ever need to give the impression that we call the game by committee.
BU has responsibilities and PU has responsibilities. The only things that need to be discussed are rule interpretations.
Thanks
David