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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Lotto
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Lotto
7 ft tall A1 standing next to 5 ft tall B1. A1 is bent slightly so that his head is directly above B1's head. B1 deliberately and viciously punches A1 in the face. B1's arm (and fist) never leave the vertical space above his body.
Foul or no foul? On whom?
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This scenario has absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed. Deliberately and viciously punching an opponent is always a foul. It doesn't have anything to do with verticality.
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My point exactly. My reading of some of the opinions expressed above was that any contact that occurs in the vertical space above B1 cannot result in a foul called on B1. This example was intended to show that that is not the case.
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Interesting point. Not relevant at all to the discussion, I don't think, but an interesting point. How about "any contact other than deliberate, flagrant or unsporting contact that occurs in B1's vertical space can never result in a foul being called on B1". Can you argue that now, and back your argument up with a rules citation?
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The rules as have already been cited listed exactly what B1 can do.
What can B1 legally do? B1 can jump or raise the arms up.
Where can B1 legally HAVE their arms? Anywhere in their vertical plane.
We have two very clear parts of this rule: where the arms can be and what the arms can do. To extend this to say they can do anything if the location is legal is adding more to the rule beyond what is there.
Nowhere does it say that B1 can sweep the arms around once they're up.
The only contact the defender can legally create is in the process of raising the arms or jumping. Any other contact created by the defender is a foul by the defender.