Fri Jun 18, 2004, 08:45pm
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You are not guarding if the dribbler is passed you.
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Like Camron said, depends on what direction the dribbler is going.
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I explained it in an earlier post. The path is TOWARD the basket. A defender that is behind a dribbler moving AWAY from the basket is still in the path to the basket.
Once the ball is in the front court the offense's objective is to score, so a defender is guarding if they are in the path between their opponent and the basket.
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According to the fed "Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent." Closely guarding ..."occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her team's frontcourt, is guarded by an opponent who is with 6 feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball."
NCAA men's is the same. NCAA women's do not apply here since there's no closely guarding for them while dribbling.
I'm not sure where you get your interp from, under the rules.
Care to explain?
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My interp fits with how 99.9% of officials judge closely guarded.
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What?
99.9% of officials call the jump stop wrong.
I have to call it wrong too?
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If you don't include path, as between the offensive player and the basket, there will be a lot of 5 second violations in the middle of lay ups!
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WTF? :shrug:
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You gonna keep your count if the dribbler is past the defender, attacking the basket, but this CHASING defender is within 6 feet?
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Where did I say this? In your play the defender is no longer IN THE PATH.
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The intent of the rule is to keep the game from becoming actionless or a Curly Neal/And One dribbling show. It is to reward GOOD defense, but not BAD defense.
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Sigh...once again WTF? You telling us that ncaa women are happy to allow thier game to become an actionless blah blah blah?
The intent of the rule is to consider closely guarded when the defender is IN THE PATH of the player with the ball. The rules, AS WRITTEN, say nothing about the defender being between the player and the basket. Just says he needs to be in the path.
Obviously you don't have a rule or case play to back up your interpretation so I guess we're done.
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I can't make it any easier. I'm sorry if you can't understand something this simple.
The book says path right?
If we take that literally, then a defender would need to run around a dribbler, that turns AWAY from the basket, and defend what? A back court violation? An OOBs violation?
Once the ball is in the front court, what is the normal objective of the offense? To score at their basket.
What is the defense's objective? To stop them from scoring.
Any defender that is even with or between the offensive player, with the ball, and the basket is IN THE PATH. The direction the offensive player is facing does not matter.
Is it sinking in yet?
Remember if we take path literally, you can not call 5 seconds on a player that dribbles toward the basket then turns towards the division line with the defender now BEHIND them, because they are no longer guarding in the PATH. The same way it's not on a drive to the basket, RIGHT?
NCAA women have a shot clock, so it does not benefit the offense to hold the ball, now does it?
[Edited by blindzebra on Jun 18th, 2004 at 06:52 PM]
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You still have given me nothing more than your opinion. As you say, the book says PATH. Find me where it backs up your interp. That's pretty simple, aint it?
BTw, NCAA mens have a shot clock too.
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