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whew........
Damn Sam......took a bit to sort this one out......but...Ok I'll bite........
ASA
The award is based on the position of the runner when the ball left the fielder's hand...ASA - 8-6-G .
When the ball goes into dead ball territory I am going to HOLLER "dead ball" and point at the runner and say "you.....home".
THE BALL TOUCHING THE BR IS IGNORED BECAUSE IT IS NOT INTENTIONAL
R1 may return to 1st to retouch once the ball becomes dead.....because she retouched 2nd on her way back to first before the ball becomes dead......ASA 8-6-G-EXCEPTION-2. When the ball becomes dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or a base left too soon if he has advanced, touched, and remains a base beyond the missed base or the base left too soon.
This is the trick of Sam's play......the award is made from the time of the throw.....but the runner has retreated back past 2nd when the ball actually goes into DBT.....which allows her to legally retouch 1st.
This is a good one Sam......and if it ever happened to me in a game I will now be ready for it.
By rule.......the runner is awarded home......and she may legally retouch 1st......kind-of a double jeopardy on the defense on this one.
If she does re-touch......she gets home......if not......she is in jeopardy of being called out for not retouching.
Took me a minute to catch what your "trick" was on this one.
Now for FED........this one I am not nearly as confident on......
The award is the same on the throw going out of play......so you will award the runner home......I cannot find similar language on when a runner may NOT return to re-touch a base left too soon.
Gonna have to treat this the same as ASA.
I know I am wrong, because Sammo' would not have made the distinction if they were the same.....but cannot find any documentation to back up my gut feeling.
Joel
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