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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Dead ball and place the runner on 2B.
Rule 8.5.B.1 & POE 35 specifically state that it cannot happen.
BTW, there are no such animals as 8-K or 5-B.3 in ASA's book.
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Dakota, you can certainly liven up a dead afternoon.
Mike, in POE 35 there are a few instances that indicate the runner may be out:
1) In the 2nd paragraph POE 35
..... If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base he would have reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is called, and the obstructed runner, and each runner affected by the obstruction, will be awarded the base(s) he would have reached, in the umpire's judgement, had there not been obstruction. Talk about a run on sentence!!! Now, in Tom's scenario, this all happened
AFTER reaching the base she would have been awarded, not prior.
2) In POE 35 4th paragraph,
It should also be clear when saying " a runner cannot be called out between the two bases he was obstructed" does not pertain when another violation is being played upon. (e.g. , A runner leaving second base too soon on a fly ball is returning after the ball is caught and is obstructed between second base prior to the throw arriving, he would remain out.) Now, this is the situation, we're talking about. While the appeal would have been denied, as she left after the touch, the runner was acting on this rule and so was the defense.
3) If the obstructed runner is put out after passing the base he would have reached had there not been obstruction, he is running at his own risk and, if tagged, would be called out. This also meets the criteria for Tom's case. She rounded the base she would have gotten, stopped, went back to it and went to 1st. All this is
AFTER she had reached the base she would have been awarded.
Now, I don't have a case book (I gotta fix that), but the case stated was in a rundown, not a runner headed only one direction, so I can see the reasoning on that one. This runner only has one thing on her mind, getting back to 1st, 1 base past where she was gonna be awarded.
In summary,
I believe the 3 instances stated would back up the out call on the field. While there is gray area, I believe a little interpolation is necessary, as well as the intent of the rule.
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When this happens, is the force reinstated? Yes. Is a runner awarded two from their position at the time of the throw into DBT regardless the direction they are running or what base(s) they need to touch? Of course.
So, why would you think this is different? The rule is specific.
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Ah, but we ain't talkin' about a force being reinstated, where the runner
has to go somewhere. As diplomatically stated earlier, stupidity shouldn't figure in here. ( Or words to that effect) Throws into DBT is 2 base award. There is nothin' here 'bout awarding any more bases other than where the runner has gone. I really think all the points of the rule have been met by allowing her to get to 2nd safely. The 2 points you are discussing are irrelevant to this case.
Now, how 'bout this one? Going by your ruling, if the runner deliberately allows herself to get into a rundown between 1st and 2nd,
AFTER rounding 2nd, and a runner heads home and scores from 3rd after the rundown is initiated, are you gonna allow that? Now, you're allowing the offense an unfair advantage. Even though they probably deserve it. The defense should be allowed the out, as they have already paid the penalty, for what it's worth, by allowing the runner to 2nd, the 1st time.
[Edited by TexBlue on Apr 28th, 2004 at 04:26 PM]