Fri Apr 23, 2004, 04:46pm
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
So one defender can smack the hell out a shooter, and do that first, but another defender can then barely make contact, and that slight contact can occur AFTER the first defender smacked the hell out of the shooter, but the pro philosophy is to then call the 2nd defender for the foul if the 2nd defender has fewer fouls. Right? And that's true even if the second defender is Shaq, and the first defender is just some scrubeenie off of the bench, because you're supposed to "distribute" the fouls to the player who has the fewest. And this exact same philosophy is used in HS ball if the official happens to possess the "awareness" to be able to use it. Correct?
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1) Look, blindzebra's exactly right. If I have two players who contact the shooter, and I can remember that B1 has 3 fouls, but B2 doesn't have any, then I give the foul to B2. The amount of contact is only relevant if it's significantly different. In your terminology, the clubbing has to be called over the slight contact. I mean, that's pretty obvious, right?
Well, the very last words of my pre-game notes say:[list][*]Call the obvious;
First on that list is "Call the obvious". A guy clubs somebody and he gets a foul. But if two players contact the shooter (happens all the time), and if the difference in contact is not that great (and usually, it's not), and if I am aware of the fouls on each of the players, then the guy with fewer fouls will probably get the foul.
2) Give the foul to Shaq (who has 1 foul) or give it to Luke Walton (who has 3), I think they'd give it to Walton.
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Chuck, I 'm no grumpier than I usually am, believe it or not.  I'm just trying to understand where you guys are coming from, and, quite frankly, you've both got me confused as hell.
1) Blindzebra said "Who hit HARDER or FIRST does NOT enter the picture. You say that you agree with him. Now you are also saying that you WILL give the foul to the defender that DOES hit harder(club someone). Hello? That's exactly why I asked the questions above. What am I missing here? If you go back and read my posts, I haven't disagreed with anything yet. It's hard to disagree when you're not completely sure of whatinthehell the "pro philosophy actually is.
2) Again, you're confusing me. Are you telling me that the "pro philosophy" of equally distributing fouls does NOT apply to the stars like Shaq? It only applies if the star has more fouls, but it doesn't apply if the star has fewer fouls, is that correct? What difference is there between that and outright favoring the stars when it comes to fouls then?
3) And you still personally think that the same "pro philosophy", as detailed above by you and Blindzebra should be used in HS games also? Who hits harder or first does not enter the picture. Give the foul automaticlly to the player who has fewer fouls, unless that player also is the star. In that case, you give it to his teammate.
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I think the "Taking one for the team" philosophy should be
used in HS, but not the same way it is applied in the NBA, where amount of contact and star versus role player enter the mix.
I will call the foul on the player with fewer fouls when the contact occurs at ABOUT the same time and the amount of contact is ABOUT the same.
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