OK Dan, I thought we were talking about after the last made FT. I know it is just a matter of difinition, However, when the last FT is made, the old T is now the new L. So, the L has the stop sign for the subs. While I don't do two man during the season, i still do some two man in the off season. And its not 3' square, its 3' either direction from where i am standing.