Mike, since slow pitch does not use the 8 foot circle, how can we judge the vicinity of the pitcher to the pitching plate? Maybe a suggestion would be to use the 8 foot circle in rec leagues to help us out or???? Any ideas? I want to be a brat at our umpires meeting on Monday night. I'm sure our UIC will probably want to buy me a cold one to shut me up. Hee hee.