Tue Dec 02, 2003, 02:50am
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by rainmaker
My understanding is that once the ball hits the body, it has to hit the floor again before the player "bats" it with his hand. So it's not illegal in itself, but also isn't meaningless. Maybe a better way to say it is that the hit by the body counts as a "bat", and there can only be one "bat" per floor-bounce. Am I incorrect about this?
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Juulie, the rules are pretty clear on this. 9-5 says that "A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended. . ." So the relevant issues are: 1) what's a dribble, and 2) when does it end?
4-15-1 tells us that "A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally striks the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times".
So bouncing the ball off of the body is not a bat, since a bat is with the hand(s). So bouncing off the body can't be a dribble.
As to (2) above, the dribble ends when the dribbler catches the ball, palms the ball, touches the ball with both hands simultaneously, or when an opponent bats the ball, or when the ball becomes dead. Since none of those things happens when the ball bounces off the dribbler's body, the dribble doesn't end, and s/he is free to continue dribbling.
In short, JR is r-r-r-r-r. . . JR is r-r-r-r-r. . . cough, cough. give me a second, I'll get it out. . . JR is r-right. 
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Okay, so....
What about if a player bats the ball with the left hand, and then the right hand before it hits the floor? Isn't that illegal? I guess I'm seeing the body touch as a parallel.
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Chuck probably has a job so he goes to sleep at a decent hour. Luckily I am not burdened by all this. As I see it a bat with the hand is a deliberate act as opposed to the ball bouncing off the body which I picture as occurring most often when the dribbler has lost control. The ball may then bounce off some other part of the body without penalty. The other thing that I see quite often which has not been mentioned in this thread is when the dribbler pins the ball briefly against his/her hip, then releases it and continues to dribble. This is a double dribble. Am I right, Chuck?
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