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If contact beyond incidental leads to or it the cause of a tie up. Foul.
If the ball is tied up first, neither side is under any obligation to let go. So movements/strength/contortion on either the part of either player that results in contact happening after this fact unless its an aggressive non basketball play should be a jump ball IMO.
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Coach: Hey ref I'll make sure you can get out of here right after the game!
Me: Thanks, but why the big rush.
Coach: Oh I thought you must have a big date . . .we're not the only ones your planning on F$%&ing tonite are we!
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