USA rules....sub rule

[oldsetter]

Conversational exercise:

A team sends up their 12th and 13th sub. What do you do R2?

[Antonio.King]

Allow one of them (should they decide quickly which of the two they want to actually use), and deny the other and issue an improper request.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by Antonio.King

Allow one of them (should they decide quickly which of the two they want to actually use), and deny the other and issue an improper request.

In a perfect world, you're already telling the coaches they've used the 9th, 10th, and 11th, so when two people come up, you let them know they need to choose which one (quickly) and allow that sub. I wouldn't issue an improper request because the request for sub was legal (since they had a sub remaining), and we're not really denying anything, just making them choose (like if someone crosses the attack line and we blow the whistle).

Now, if they hem and haw over which sub they want, etc, you can deny both of them and issue a delay warning, but if you've done your due diligence ahead of time, you can just say "only one of you" and they'll get the hint without issues.

[Antonio.King]

Originally Posted by FMadera

In a perfect world, you're already telling the coaches they've used the 9th, 10th, and 11th, so when two people come up, you let them know they need to choose which one (quickly) and allow that sub. I wouldn't issue an improper request because the request for sub was legal (since they had a sub remaining), and we're not really denying anything, just making them choose (like if someone crosses the attack line and we blow the whistle).

Now, if they hem and haw over which sub they want, etc, you can deny both of them and issue a delay warning, but if you've done your due diligence ahead of time, you can just say "only one of you" and they'll get the hint without issues.

In a perfect world, yes, but alas...

I think the casebook has a scenario like this with that being the correct response. You're denying the 13th sub since you're essentially recognizing both of them when you blow your whistle.

Suppose when you do give them the option of choosing, they want the other sub? There has to be some consequence for the team's actions, otherwise you're relaying that it's okay for them to do that without repercussion.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by Antonio.King

Suppose when you do give them the option of choosing, they want the other sub? There has to be some consequence for the team's actions, otherwise you're relaying that it's okay for them to do that without repercussion.

They've made a legal sub request. If they make a legal sub after that request, and there's not a noticeable delay, administer it and move on. Don't look for trouble.

[Antonio.King]

Originally Posted by FMadera

They've made a legal sub request. If they make a legal sub after that request, and there's not a noticeable delay, administer it and move on. Don't look for trouble.

I'm going to disagree with you on this. It's not about looking for trouble, but about following protocol. They've made a partially legal sub request as you're acknowledging the presence of both substitutions, but you're administering them one by one.

They're requesting two substitutions; one of which they can have, however, the other they cannot due to it being the maximum allowed number. With that in mind, you have to deny the request of the sub that would make the 13th.

So it's an improper request in addition to allowing the 12th sub.