No help from R2?

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by oldsetter

There was one contact during the match where the setter was in the middle of the court but was facing the R2 squarly and I only had a side view. The ball came out with some spin, but I did not see two contacts, I looked to the R2 who was looking at the setter, but got nothing from them.

I would neither want nor expect help in this situation. Trying to read your mind on what angles you may or may not need help on (but you were not screened) is an invitation to throw up ball handling suggestions that will get you into trouble.

If the angle was such that you were not screened but still couldn't see two contacts, live with it. Inviting an R2 to give ball handling advice on non-screened contacts runs the risk of the R2's ball handling standard being what the coaches notice/expect, rather than your own.

[oldsetter]

Felix,
I can live with that, but the R2 is assuming your view is blocked in some situations where it may not be. No big deal, I don't want too much help either. I had an R2 give me at least 23 discrete ball handling signals in one SET one time. The level of play was not that bad at all. I was so amused with the R2 I started counting the signals. We played about 10 points before I started counting and got to 23. There were about 4 actual BHEs in that set. lol

When you live with it, do you you assume there is a double contact or do you not blow your whistle if you do not see a double contact?
Thanks,

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by oldsetter

When you live with it, do you you assume there is a double contact or do you not blow your whistle if you do not see a double contact?
Thanks,

If I am not prepared tell you what happened, I am not going to blow the whistle. No assumptions. Ever.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by oldsetter

Felix,
I can live with that, but the R2 is assuming your view is blocked in some situations where it may not be. No big deal, I don't want too much help either. I had an R2 give me at least 23 discrete ball handling signals in one SET one time. The level of play was not that bad at all. I was so amused with the R2 I started counting the signals. We played about 10 points before I started counting and got to 23. There were about 4 actual BHEs in that set. lol

When you live with it, do you you assume there is a double contact or do you not blow your whistle if you do not see a double contact?
Thanks,

I can only assume then, that the coaches also saw at least some of the "discrete" signals? That would then basically throw you under the bus for each time you didn't call something that the R2 was calling.

So, if the R2 was watching the ball all the time, who was doing the R2's job???

1 or 2, I could see...but if they get to 23...we are clearly having a discussion at the stand during a time-out or between sets, long before that!

[oldsetter]

thanks Felix,
I totally agree and respect that.
Play until you hear a whistle blow.

I just did not appreciate my R2 coming over during a time out to tell me I missed a double. I saw one hand and the ball. Came out a little 'mushy' but I did not - and could not have seen two contacts.

And yes, he was not doing his R2 duties, I called as many nets as he did. I hate to see a net violation while I see my R2 following the ball into the back court. Dummy, we have line judges, you stay on the net, I'll watch the ball.

lol,

As far a discrete signals go, there are not any. especially the illegal block signal.



I love this game.