Interp this play

flsh224 · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 08:39am

A1 is back to serve and as a Substitute for A1 comes to the line the referee calls for serve. A1 drops the ball and then goes to the line for a substitution. The referee does nothing but disallows the sub and sends A1 back to serve. A1 then serves for a point. Then B's coach questions the down official and the two officials get together and take a point away from Team A and award a point to team B, because in there explanation A1 had taken over five seconds on the serve.

What is the correct procedure on this play? What is the time limit on correctable errors in volleyball?

Thanks in advance for your help.

FMadera · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 12:19pm

A decision on the previous rally can be reversed until the ball is served for the next rally. The exception would be in the case of a wrong server, in which case you can cancel all points served by the wrong server during that term of service, up until the other team serves.

Gozer · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 21, 2005, 08:50pm

Was the request for the substutuion made and regonized before the call for the service? If it was then the subustute is allowed and A2 goes in for A1 the current server. There can be no more substutuions during this dead ball for this team. If the subustution had not been regonized before the call for the service I would have "replayed" and made A1 serve the ball once and then if they wanted to subustute allow it concluding that play. In general if one of the ladies is confused about what to do because of a lack of communication between the officials,or two wistles go off simoutaniously for subs ..etc. I usually dont penalize them for it.

My 2cents

Kenny

OmniSpiker · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 21, 2005, 09:37pm

I'd have the same situation come up more than once before, and I wasn't able get anyone to comply with the procedures in each occasion.

5 seconds for serves, that would make them 14 and under.
Doesn't that mean that their entitle to a second serve? Since dropping the ball to the floor is the same as a service toss error. The server should be waiting for the R1 to whistle for the second service. As far as substituting after the inital whistle for service, that shouldn't be allowed. The R2 should send the server back to complete the serve as long as the service order is in check. They should continue the game as normal. R1 will have to whistle for the second service, allowing the five second to execute the serve.

As for the time limit in between first and second serve, that's up to the R1 to judge if there was a game delay.

MCBear · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 22, 2005, 07:24am

flsh224, you did not specify under which rules set the situation occurs, but it appears that it was using high school rules.

Once the referee blew the whistle for the serve, no other action (TO, substitution, request for line-up check) could take place. Since it seems as though the umpire did not blow the whistle for a substitution (you did not indicate whether that happened or not) prior to the referee's whistle for serve, the sub should have been denied (the umpire should have used the "push-back" motion to indicate that the sub request was too late) and the five second count should have continued until it expired at which time the referee should have blown the whistle, indicated the five-second violation and shown the LOR point for Team B. IMO, this is not a re-serve situation.

OmniSpiker, since the situation that flsh224 gave occurred under NFHS rules, the 14 and under does not apply. However, if a similar situation were to occur under USAV rules, then a reserve would be appropriate for 14 and under as you indicated. The sub request would be denied, an IR would be issued and A1 would be given a re-serve If it occurred in 15's-18's, it would be a loss of rally to Team B and an IR would be given to Team A.

As far as the correctable error goes, Felix gave the correct answer to flsh224's question. Team delay was not a consideration in the original scenario.