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bob jenkins Thu Apr 06, 2023 01:09pm

NCAAM v. NCAAW - Scorekeeping
 
From a scorekeeping perspective, any differences in moving from NCAAW to NCAAM? Same scoresheet? Same number of subs? Same delays, yellow card recording?

FMadera Thu Apr 06, 2023 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1050611)
From a scorekeeping perspective, any differences in moving from NCAAW to NCAAM? Same scoresheet? Same number of subs? Same delays, yellow card recording?

NCAAM uses USAV rules with some modifications, and ideally, should be using the USAV scoresheet for Division 3. Similar sanction section, 12 subs. However, not all schools use the USAV sheet for men's matches. I would make sure you're adept on both sheets.

If you're scoring D1 men, they use primarily FIVB rules with some modifications, so you would likely have to use either the electronic scoring system or the FIVB scoresheet, which are different animals. D1 use 6 subs with one entry (initial starters are not considered as having an entry), and once the starter has re-entered the set after being subbed out, that position is closed for subs the remainder of the set. If you want to score D1 matches, I'd highly recommend you familiarize yourself with the different rules nuances, as they can be tricky. Or you can PM me.

bob jenkins Thu Apr 06, 2023 07:38pm

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Originally Posted by FMadera (Post 1050614)
NCAAM uses USAV rules with some modifications, and ideally, should be using the USAV scoresheet for Division 3. Similar sanction section, 12 subs. However, not all schools use the USAV sheet for men's matches. I would make sure you're adept on both sheets.

If you're scoring D1 men, they use primarily FIVB rules with some modifications, so you would likely have to use either the electronic scoring system or the FIVB scoresheet, which are different animals. D1 use 6 subs with one entry (initial starters are not considered as having an entry), and once the starter has re-entered the set after being subbed out, that position is closed for subs the remainder of the set. If you want to score D1 matches, I'd highly recommend you familiarize yourself with the different rules nuances, as they can be tricky. Or you can PM me.

Thanks -- this will be for JuCo. I do a lot of womens, but I'm filling in for mens in a couple of weeks.

Scrapper1 Thu Apr 06, 2023 08:47pm

This youtube video is helpful at getting familiar with the USAV scoresheet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgtoIl8SBZU

FMadera Fri Apr 07, 2023 08:41am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1050615)
Thanks -- this will be for JuCo. I do a lot of womens, but I'm filling in for mens in a couple of weeks.

4/21 by chance? If it's the tourney at COD, they'll be basically using D3 protocols, from what I understand (if that helps).

bob jenkins Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:10am

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Originally Posted by FMadera (Post 1050621)
4/21 by chance? If it's the tourney at COD, they'll be basically using D3 protocols, from what I understand (if that helps).

It does.

bob jenkins Sun Apr 23, 2023 07:04am

Thank you both for your help with this. Finished the NJCAAA Invitational (essentially, the national championship for an emerging sport) yesterday. Nine matches over two days on my court (plus seven on another court).

And, Felix showed up yesterday to officiate the bracket portion of the event, pus work as LJ for the championship game.

Scrapper1 Sun Apr 23, 2023 08:24am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1050732)
Thank you both for your help with this. Finished the NJCAAA Invitational (essentially, the national championship for an emerging sport) yesterday. Nine matches over two days on my court (plus seven on another court).

And, Felix showed up yesterday to officiate the bracket portion of the event, pus work as LJ for the championship game.

Very cool! Sounds like a good experience. Did you end up using the USAV scoresheet? Which method do you like better?

bob jenkins Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1050733)
Very cool! Sounds like a good experience. Did you end up using the USAV scoresheet? Which method do you like better?

Yes, USAV. Teams only were allowed 6 subs, and only one (plus a re-entry sub) per position, so there weren't many subs to track--no team used more than four.

I think I prefer the NCAAW style, but that just might be because I am more used to it.

As long as you can count to 25 and concentrate for 20 minutes without looking at your phone, you can make either work.


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