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Dakota Tue Jul 14, 2015 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 964901)
Aren't most of those fences installed to separate 1 game from another?

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 964902)
Sometimes, but often because the field structure is too large, like 275 - 300 feet to fence.

Here they are for fastpitch on a slowpitch field, or to add fences to an unfenced field.

chapmaja Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 964900)
Unless you think there's a good chance of situation turning phyisical, I don't know what it matters whether it's Lisa or Brian. Physical stature rarely has much to do with how a coach deals with an umpire.

If you do think it's going to get physical, probably best to call the police.

I am going to disagree with the idea of stature not impacting how a coach interacts with an umpire.

There is a reason that MLB had size requirements for umpires. You don't see many short umpires in MLB. The reason for the requirement was because MLB wanted the umpires to be able to stand level to level with the players and coaches during arguments. Players and coaches will most certainly attempt to tower over a smaller umpire in an argument. It is a form of intimidation. It is also a natural action in a confrontation, not even something that people consciously do. When in a confrontation nature tells a person (or animal) to make themselves appear as big as possible. This certainly does happen on the softball diamond. A large number of coaches will treat an umpire who is over 6 feet tall and 250 pounds much differently than a 5-0 umpire who weighs 100 pounds soaking wet.

jwwashburn Wed Jul 29, 2015 01:10pm

"I talked with coaches and spectators afterward and none really could tell where ball landed.......even one of the other def coaches not involved in the "fray"

You talked about this call with anyone other than your partner and/or other umpires away from fans/coaches/players? I oppose this.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 29, 2015 02:12pm

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 965343)
I am going to disagree with the idea of stature not impacting how a coach interacts with an umpire.

There is a reason that MLB had size requirements for umpires. You don't see many short umpires in MLB. The reason for the requirement was because MLB wanted the umpires to be able to stand level to level with the players and coaches during arguments. Players and coaches will most certainly attempt to tower over a smaller umpire in an argument. It is a form of intimidation. It is also a natural action in a confrontation, not even something that people consciously do. When in a confrontation nature tells a person (or animal) to make themselves appear as big as possible. This certainly does happen on the softball diamond. A large number of coaches will treat an umpire who is over 6 feet tall and 250 pounds much differently than a 5-0 umpire who weighs 100 pounds soaking wet.



What you just said is pure unadulterated hogwash. Just keep in mind that that there are two women currently officiating in the NBA and there will be one woman officiating in the NFL.

MTD, Sr.

Welpe Wed Jul 29, 2015 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 965343)

There is a reason that MLB had size requirements for umpires.

Maybe in the past...though I've never heard of it documented. "Had" is the key word here.


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