jeopardy
Is this "jeopardy" in the umpires rule sense?
Runner on 1st, 2 outs. Batter takes an uncaught strike 3. Plate umpire, not thinking 2 outs, says "batter out". Catcher roll ball into infield while BR advances to 1st, other runner to 2nd. Is this a jeopardy for the defense which the umpire should rectify, or is this a case of the players (e.g., in this play the catcher) should know the rule? Please state which rules book if you think they differ. |
My opinion, catcher needs to know the situation. No way you can rightfully call that batter-runner out, as the defense simply hasn't put her out, in any rule set.
Similar situations. 1) If umpire tells a player the wrong number of outs, player's responsibility regardless. Too bad, they should get it from their scorekeeper. 2) If umpire called "Time" in the middle of playing action, instead of "batter's out", it's a dead ball, batter-runner awarded first. |
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I feel once the PU calls batter out he is saying the pitch was NOT in the dirt, so it's over at that point. Just like a ref. can't undo a play killed once he blows the whistle.
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Are you saying not to verbalize when that is the case? IOW, let the players figure it out for themselves? |
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Are you saying the mistaken "out" call can't be ignored? |
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That said, in your sitch I agree with the previous answers. |
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I would say batter's out in your situation. And might also in an unclear catch-no-catch by the catcher when I'm calling a catch. But not immediately after the pitch call - and usually while pointing to the catcher's glove. |
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Your original response included "My opinion, catcher needs to know the situation", which made me think you were saying no. That is, ignore the mistake and let the BR be safe. :confused: |
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You're confused because the misapplied rule here was the PU ruling the batter out. He is still saying the same thing. |
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My original question was whether this mistake by the PU should be rectified. IOW whether it qualifies under the jeopardy rule. That would mean, IF he could judge that IF the catcher had not been told an out, would she have tried a play at 1st and PROBABLY gotten the out. Notice - BIG IFs and a BIG reach by the ump to ASSUME an out if played at 1st are a separate question. |
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