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MD Longhorn Wed Sep 17, 2014 02:58pm
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Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 940263)
NFHS 3-4-2 says the infraction must be discovered before the next pitch, or, on a game ending play, before the infielders and/or umpires have left the diamond.
Only if the coach is trying to nullify the play made by the illegal sub. Even if detected later, an illegal sub is an illegal sub is an illegal sub. (Sometimes harder to PROVE later though!)

shipwreck Wed Sep 17, 2014 03:04pm
MD, the more I read the rule the more I believe you can't have a BOO also. Rule book says penalty Art. 2a The proper batter is considered to have lost her turn at bat. Maybe I am reading something wrong. Dave

MD Longhorn Wed Sep 17, 2014 04:42pm
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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 940266)
MD, the more I read the rule the more I believe you can't have a BOO also. Rule book says penalty Art. 2a The proper batter is considered to have lost her turn at bat. Maybe I am reading something wrong. Dave
The proper batter (B1) IS considered to have lost her turn at bat when Flex illegally subbed for her and was not caught.

Then, in the 4th inning, when B2 is up... B1 comes to the plate and bats out of order.

tcannizzo Wed Sep 17, 2014 06:42pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 940258)
I think it is assumed that when one posts a question, the facts of the question are true. The OP of a thread shouldn't have to prove to others that his facts are correct. Given the facts laid out by the OP, we should answer the questions posted.
I interpreted this differently. Not that the OP has to prove to the message board the accuracy of the sitch, rather, in real time during the game, how do you really know/prove that there was an illegal substitute a half-inning or more later....

Furthermore, you can only go for the penalty of an illegal sub while she is illegally in the game. This means you have to catch it while she is on offense for a player other than the DP.

shipwreck Wed Sep 17, 2014 07:00pm
If she batted or played defense she is currently in the game, regardless if she is sitting in the dugout, in the batters box, on base, or in the field. The flex was in the game. Dave

shipwreck Wed Sep 17, 2014 07:05pm
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 940270)
The proper batter (B1) IS considered to have lost her turn at bat when Flex illegally subbed for her and was not caught.

Then, in the 4th inning, when B2 is up... B1 comes to the plate and bats out of order.
MD, so in my scenario, if everything is appealed correctly, I would have Flex restricted for illegal substitution, B2 out for BOO since she should have batted, B1 removed from base, and B3 up to bat. Dave

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 18, 2014 08:17am
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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 940273)
MD, so in my scenario, if everything is appealed correctly, I would have Flex restricted for illegal substitution, B2 out for BOO since she should have batted, B1 removed from base, and B3 up to bat. Dave
That's what I would have.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 18, 2014 08:17am
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Originally Posted by tcannizzo (Post 940271)
Furthermore, you can only go for the penalty of an illegal sub while she is illegally in the game. This means you have to catch it while she is on offense for a player other than the DP.
For the penalty part where you nullify the play, yes.

The restriction part - no.


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